Marwari community wants their representation in interim parliament

Marwari community has also demanded their share in the forthcoming interim parliament, which is to be formed after the promulgation of interim constitution.

Speaking at the national convention of Nepal National Marwari Council, its acting chairman Atma Ram Murarka said that the community, too, has decided to enter into politics and demanded at least two seats for the community in the interim legislature.

Deputy Prime Minister Amik Sherchan, addressing the concluding session of the council, assured the representation of Marwari community in the interim parliament.

Marwari community is a leading business community of the country.

The interim parliament has been proposed to include 330 members – 48 of whom will be nominated to represent various organisations and communities. nepalnews.com sd Jan 06 07

aba dekhyo ta raja birodh garna yini haru kina agadi ayeko hola. aba dekhyo ta jaat anusar ko thau magda bideshi le pani magda raichan bhanera.

I personally do not have hatred for marwari community. But as a honest citizen, and having been in Nepal's business for almost 5 years. I can assure and tell you for fact that marwari community had/have grossly looted nepal's economy.

I personally know of a marwari who came in mid 1980's with just cycle and left nepali in mid 1990's with almost 200 Crore IC and built a major cotton factory in Panipat in India. This gentlemen still owns one of the biggest shipping company of Nepal Atlas De-Cargo. Infact this company was a peanut when I first came across, look where they are now. http://www.atlasdecargo.com/officenetwork.htm adn these offices and business are for real, just so you are ware and it was started in a small shackle in ktm. Great.
We should welcome anyone in Nepal who wants to do business, make money and invest and all.

But here is my problem with marwari's, they come to nepal, and they come with intention of looting local economy instead of helping, take huge debt against junk land that nobody knows weather it exist and run away loans and all the money they have made so far.
second, in any of these companies, they barely employ any of local nepalese in their core office (no knowledge transfer and operational experiences provided). Marwari way of doing business is great, you can't compare. with their little red notebook, the way they do accounting; I don't think SAP or PeopleSoft ERP can beat'em.
list could go-on.

For example; Chaudhari group, they have acquired strings of hotel and in Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and Mauritius, and so does rest of them.

And worst, why can't nepali govt can't do nothing to these THIEF?.. well you will be surprised, most of them are covered by have diplomatic immunity. Puzzled? Here is starter, for example; Khetan group's Mohan Gopal Khetan is Honorary Consul General of Turkey and entire family member carries diplomat passport. Nepal can't touch'em, nobody in Nepal can do a thing. likewise many of these Marwari who are still in Nepal ripping-off are have some kind of represent no-name dumb countries as Honorary Consul General. Hence keeps looting.

Well these are my gruges out of experiences I had wiht'em and rest what your view are totally upto you.

sqy I have a Tamang streak in me so "Kan chaji ale?" and i just can't help showing off my knowledge of knowing how to speak in Tamang. Unlike you i was very proud to be who I was even when mean girls called me bhotini I was able to tell them how proud i was that I came from my family and wouldn't trade it with theirs and that kept them shut. matter of self esteem i guess and when we are young not many of us can handle that so i understand how humiliating that must have been. therefore if Marwadi's have lived for generations they should be allowed to be nepali in every way. i guess some of you don't like the fact that they hold the keys of nepal's treasury!!! Too bad and Sayami the photo's of marwadi's look great!!! Some even resemble movie stars!!

राम्रो छलफल चलि रा रहेछ यहाँ त।कुरा चाहि माडवारिबाट सुरु भएर राजा,रानि,भ्रस्टाचारि सबै तिर छोइसकेछ।मलाइ पनि यसो मनको कुरा पोख्न मन लाग्यो है साथि हरु।केहि गल्ति भए माफ गर्नु होला,प्रजातन्त्र भनेकै आफ्नो बिचार राख्ने र अर्कोको सुन्ने त हो क्यार।हाम्रो समस्या चाहि के हो भने,हामि आफ्नो कुरा मात्रै सोरै आना ठिक अनि अरु सबैको कुरा चाहि बेकार फाल्तु भन्ठान्छौ।

मेरो रायलाइ यहा राखु है त अब

१) माओबादिलाइ चुनाबि माध्यम बाट तह लाउनु पर्छ।यदि जिते जनताको मन भने,उनिहरुलाइ पनि देशको बिकाश गर्न सबै मिलेर सहयोग गर्नु पर्छ।
२)माओबादि पिडित हरुलाइ रास्ट्रले सहयोग गर्नु पर्छ।
३) अन्तरिम सन्सद् ८ दलको पेवा बनाइनु गलत हो।सके कुरा सके सम्म सबै बर्गको प्रतिनिधित्व गर्नु पर्दछ।तर यसो भनेर देशको शान्ति प्रकृयामा भाँजो हाल्ने काम गरिनु हुन्न
४)देशलाइ बिभाजन् उन्मुख गर्न खोज्ने पहाड,तराइ,मधेशको नाम् राजनिति सुरु गरिनु हुन्न।
५) राजाको बारेमा निर्णय गर्ने अधिकार जनतालाइ दिनु पर्छ।
६)शान्ति प्रकृया सकिसके पछि,भ्रस्ताचारि उन्मुलन् आन्दोलन्को सुरु गरिनु पर्छ।

साथिहरु,राजनिति र आर्थिक सुधार् सधै गतिसिल हुन्छ र त्यो गति सङ हामि सबै हिड्नु पर्छ।

यो सबै भनेर मैले माओबादिका सृन्खलाबद्ध हत्या बिर्सेको चाहि छैन है।।तिनलाइ जनताले सजाय दिने छन।

मेरो दुइ पैसा,गल्ति भए माफ पाउँ है

Lamak_98,

I understand what you are saying.

But let's look at it this way.

Business regulations in Nepal are so khattam and jhoor that anyone -- NOT only a marwari -- can easily take advantage of them.

Just look at the real estate or the "manpower" industry in Nepal -- the two industries that are pretty much run by, well, all sorts of characters including hard-core
gangsters!

One of the major challenges of new Nepal is to create and implement appropriate regulations in such a way that they apply equally well to ALL.

When a newar or a bahun businessman "loots the economy",
we don't see the act as looting, because, well, they are Nepalis -- people like us. After all, just go through the published list of high-profile bank defaulters, and you will know what I mean.

But when a Marwari (swarthy, "Indian-looking", paan-chewing and use all the stereotypes you can fling!) does the same, then, we think therefore ALL Marwaris are like that -- chor and fataha and badmas, people who should be hanged.

This sort of thinking is what I object to.

Yes, there are chor and fataha Marwaris (and no one's denying that!) just as there are, well, chor and fataha bahuns and chettris and what not.

Given this reality, our collective challenge is to develop and devise appropriate legal instruments to punish these crooks of whatever ethnicity .. .. one way or the other.

But you can't look at one or two khattam Marwaris and then START reaching conclusions about the rest of the Marwari community as being this or that.

If you do that to Marwaris, what'll be next?

Will you take your logic further to declare that all Tamangs are criminals. Why? because their numbers a
ppear to be large in Nepali jails. Therefore, the tamangs must be the criminal class of Nepal!

And when you engage in such thinking, where does this sort of faulty generalisation lead to?

Better to say:
Yes, some Marwaris are chor and fataha.
They should be thrown in jail after a due process of law.

But some Marwaris' badmasi does NOT make every other law-abiding Marwari's kaam khattam and jhoor and illegal.

And yes, business regulations in Nepal require all sorts of safeguards and all that . . . stuff for which, alas, noen of our MPs are prepared for. But that's another non-Marwari story.

Meantime, so long as Nepal-based Marwaris hold Nepali citizenship cards, they are FULLY entitled -- as Nepali citizens -- a say in how to configure the New Nepal.

Tetti ho kura.

oohi
ashu

Yes lai vote diyera Prime-minister banau nu parayo..... "Bahunkto"

yes lai vote diyera Prime-minister banau nu parayo..... "Bahunkto"

Lamak_98

I don't know this for sure, but I doubt the Khetans enjoy diplomatic immunity on account of MGK's being Turkish consul in Nepal.

Even if he does, we can easily change the laws to make sure that national laws trump his so-called diplomatic immunity.

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This remainded me of an online discussion I had had 10 years ago, with Rupesh Pradhan, N Sherpa, Joel and others on the Usenet group soc.culture.nepal

Here's a brilliant extract from Rupesh

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"I strongly believe that Marwaris have lived in, worked for, have interest in Nepal enough that it does not make sense to treat them as foreigners anymore. You may disagree, you may agree. No matter. That is besides the
point.

The point, however, is: isn't it time for us to start doing something ourselves instead of bitching about the success of marwaris? As Ashu said "maday bashing" is just a leitmotif for our own economic failures. Now Mr
Sherpa wants protection for Nepali businessmen! Protection against what? I wonder.

Excuses, excuses! When will we learn, when will we learn?

Just to add to this discussion on successful entrepreneurs versus the rest of us: The Tibetian refugees who came to Nepal just a generation ago have also shown remarkable economic prosperity compared to the rest of the
country. They had less to start off with, they were victims of foreign aggression in their own country. If anyone is a foreigner in Nepal, it is these tibetian refugees. Yet they have come to our country, worked hard and, in general, made more fortune than the rest of us who have lived
there for centuries.

Now it seems it is the turn of the Kashmiris.

How come it is always the foreigners who come to Nepal and make progress (even without any sort of protection against predatory competitors that Mr Sherpa seems to be so afraid of)? Does that say anything about the "natives" --whoever they are?

Of course the truth would hurt our Gorkhe pride.

Rupesh

For more:
-http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.nepal/tree/browse_frm/month/1997-11?_done=%2Fgroup%2Fsoc.culture.nepal%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F1997-11%3F&

ashu tapai marwari ho?
pahile nepali lai india ko parliament ma laijanus ani hami pani duila ek jana marwari lai.
tiha 100 jana nepali hunu parcha ani matra yeha ek jana auna paucha.
tiha ko janasankhya ra yeha ko hernus. tiha bata 1 % matra aipugey bhane nepal ko nai janasankhya aaiparcha yeha.
manche le jaile ni bolda suru mai sochi samjhi bolnu parcha..jun party lai saath dinu huncha pachi tyo party le naramro garey ma arko party lai saath dinu hola..tyo ta dahi chuire daupez bhaihalyo ni.
yedi herne nai ho bhane ta kamti ma 70 pratishat nepali haru afno sthan ma adhik chan.
aba dhila chaina ta hau 30 lakh bihari le nagarikta paudaichan ani k garne. khas ma ta nepali bahek aru le nepal ma land pani kinna paunu naparne ho.
Nepali pahadey bahek aru le pahad tira aauda permit liyera aunu parne ho..hamro ma ta chatpatey bala sagarmatha ko sikhar ma jana pani rokchaina.
afno pahichan rakhna ko lagi nepali bahek aru le sarkari office ma jagir paunu naparne ho pairaheko chan.
afno jati ko samrakchad ko kura pachi dekhnu hola jaba hami nai minority banna pugcham.
ani BHIMUJI sunnus ta tapai lai thaha cha bahun ko meaning?
bahun bhanna saath sabai puja gardai hindainan.
newar haru ko ma pani ta bahun huncha ni
jyapu kishan ho haina ta afai bhannus
shrestha k ho?
pradhan k ho?
bajracharya k ho?
tiha pani cha ni caste system.
baddar dherai batho bahyo bhane k huncha bhancha buda paka le?
tapai le jiskako ho malai thaha cha kunai naramro bhawana le haina tei pani yesto kura tapai le post garnu bhanda agadi soachnus.
bahun haru liberal raichan tei bhara tetti naramro bhanenan..aaru jaat ko yesto garey ma k huncha...bahun yeha bhaka le kunai jaat lai naramro hbaneka chan bhane bhannus. kunai kunai le hbanlan tara 90% le bhandainan.
aaru jaat le 90 % le bahun/chettri lai ramro bhandainan baki 10% le bhanllan tara sankai lagcha.

bahun ko choro

बाहुन केटो जी, तपाईं को कार्कीहरु को बिश्लेषण बाट प्रभाबित भाको छु, तर तपाईंले ब्राम्हण परिभाषा दिनु भएन । न्यू बोल्ने नि ब्राम्हण हुन्छन्, मैथली अबधी बोल्ने नि हुन्छ ब्राम्हण को परिभाषा थाह छैन भने अर्को पटक पोस्ट गरौला, पहिला तपाईंबाटतै सुनुम ।

Suna wrote:
>Huna ta ho
>in the spirit of democracy - marwaris should be allowed to have
>representation.

>But
>Nepalese have been living in India for generations too - khoi ta
>representation - in the true sense not MISREPRESENTATION
>as in the case of ISKUS BUDHO. And how old is that democracy??

>my tuppence.

Suna,

मारवाडी समुदायको वर्तमान माँग केवल अन्तरिम संसदको लागि हो र यो हाल प्रतिक्षारत अन्तरिम सम्विधानकै धारा ४५ उपधारा १(ग) मा वाकायदा लेखिएको "जनवर्गीय तथा पेशागत सङ्गठन, उत्पीडित जाति, पिछडिएको क्षेत्र, आदिवासी जनजाति र महिला तथा राजनैतिक व्यक्तित्वहरूबाट सहमतिका आधारमा मनोनित ४८ जना" को प्रावधान अन्तर्गत गरिएको माँग हो ।

त्यसैले यसलाई भारतको स्थितिसंग दाँज्नु भनेको सुनाखरी र सयपत्री दाँज्नु जस्तो भएन र ?

Nepe


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नेपालको अन्तरिम सम्विधान २०६३
(Note: signed but not promulgated yet ! Some correction is going on)


भाग ६
व्यवस्थापिका-संसद

४५. व्यवस्थापिका-संसदको गठनः
(१) नेपालमा एक सदनात्मक व्यवस्थापिका- संसद रहनेछ जसमा देहाय बमोजिमका ३३० सदस्य रहने छन्:-

(क) यो संविधान प्रारम्भ हुनुभन्दा तत्काल अघि कायम रहेको प्रतिनिधि सभा र राष्ट्रिय सभाका सात राजनीतिक दल र अन्य दलका निर्वाचित सदस्यहरू समेत गरी २०९ जना,

स्पष्टीकरणः सात राजनीतिक दल भन्नाले संवत् २०६३ साल कार्तिक २२ गते राजनीतिक सहमति कायम गर्ने नेपाली कांग्रेस, नेकपा (एमाले), नेपाली कांग्रेस (प्रजातान्त्रिक), जनमोर्चा नेपाल, नेपाल सद्भावना पार्टी (आनन्दीदेवी), नेपाल मजदुर किसान पार्टी र संयुक्त वाम मोर्चालाई जनाउँछ ।

(ख) नेकपा (माओवादी) को तर्फाट ७३ जना

(ग) संयुक्त वाम मोर्चा, जनवर्गीय तथा पेशागत सङ्गठन, उत्पीडित जाति, पिछडिएको क्षेत्र, आदिवासी जनजाति र महिला तथा राजनैतिक व्यक्तित्वहरूबाट सहमतिका आधारमा मनोनित ४८ जना

(२) उपधारा (१) मा जुनसुकै कुरा लेखिएको भए तापनि जनआन्दोलनको विपक्षमा रहेका
व्यक्तिहरू व्यवस्थापिका-संसदमा रहनेछैनन् ।

(३) व्यवस्थापिका-संसद राजनीतिक सहमतिका आधारमा सञ्चालन गरिनेछ ।

(४) व्यवस्थापिका-संसदको कार्यकाल संविधान सभाको पहिलो बैठक बसेपछि समाप्त
हुनेछ ।

(५) व्यवस्थापिका-संसदको कुनै सदस्यको स्थान कुनै कारणले रिक्त भएमा बाँकी अवधिको लागि जुन राजनैतिक दल वा समूहबाट प्रतिनिधित्व भएको हो सोही राजनैतिक दल वा समूहबाट मनोनयन भई रिक्त स्थान पूर्ति हुनेछ ।
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jajamani, puretyai,bedhapatha tatha anya kura haru lai pramukh pesa banayeka parwatey samaj lai bramhad ya bahun bhanincha. parwate athawa pahadey bahun nepal ma jaisi ra upadhya bhanera chinincha. tara uhile jaisi ra upadhya ekai bhako le garda purbi ra kumai bahun haru matra thiye.
kechradri ra manasabhumi bata utpanna brahmad ya brahman tara bhaninda brahmad purbiya hun. pancha desh dekh himalayasamma aaujau garirahane malla haruka doteli,kumauni ra baitadeli bahun haru kumai hun.
riti anusar brahmad kta kt bata janmiyeka chora chori upadhya bhaninchan. bidhuwa bahuni, karma nachaleko brahmad kt ra buda chodera poila bhageko kt bata kunai bahun le janmayeko santan jaisi huncha. uhile prithivi narayan shah bhanda agadi riti pura garera jaisi lai upadhya banauna milthiyo. tara prithivi narayan shah ayepachi jaisi lai upadhya banaune chalan harayo. tei bhara dherai chado nepal ma jaisi ko janasankhya ekdam badheko thiyo ra cha ajhai pani. jaisi bahun le mandir ma puja garna mildaina bhane upadhya le milcha uhile prithivi narayan shah le banayeko niyam anusar jun lai chalaye raja surendra le jaisi lai puja garna chodera. sabai pahadey bahun haru lai tukrayera janga bahadur rana le ramro sanga sashan garna sakum bhanera socheko manna sakincha. ajkal bhane pahadey bahun haru pheri bistarai bistari jodina thaleka chan.

Ashu, Nepe, Bathroom Coffee, Sgy - Good to hear refreshing voices of sanity in the increasing cacophony of this thread.

As someone who wants to see the monarchy abolished, I am licking my chops at some of the comments in this thread. If King Gyanendra were to act on the advice offered by his devotees on this thread, he would be taking the monarchy straight to hell - faster than you can say "Yamraj". Prachanda must be praying the King picks his advisors from Sajha ;)

Maddog -

Examples of good leaders in the current lot:

Girija Koirala, Madhav Nepal, Prachanda

And now examples of bad leaders:

Girija Koirala, Madhav Nepal, Prachanda

In an imperfect world, I don't expect perfect leadership from anyone. But the difference between having them as leaders versus having the King is if you don't like them, you can throw them out at the ballot. What option do you have if you don't like the King? Rise up in arms? Direct rule does not come even close to democracy on this account.

And to your point about Shah Kings and their role in shaping Nepal, sure they played their part and I hope history will judge them fairly for what they did. But politics is not about Nepal's past, it is about Nepal's future. So come back from never-never land: the days of direct rule are over! If you cannot or will not comprehend something as basic as this, then I don't see how you can engage in meaningful political dialogue with anyone.

Also, your over zealous reverence of the King smacks of a servile attitude that is despicable to say the least. This is still a free country where all people aspire to be treated as equals. If anyone expects others to be subservient to a King in this day and age, then I'd they have some pretty serious developmental issues.

Dimple -

"Anyways don't you think so Captain " whats in a name that we call rose would smell as sweet if you changed the name" there is no harm done in namecalling it has come with us a long way!! We do that in our everyday talk don't we?? So why make a fuss about it??

I don't really think so. You can speak for yourself there but I think most rational people refrain from name calling, even in day-to-day conversation, because it is a waste of time and distracts from the real issues. Name calling personalizes a discussion often to a point where the conversation becomes one about personalities and not ideas. An ego gratification or protection exercise - depending on how well your side is doing. When personalities , and not ideas, dominate and drive a discussion, nothing meaningful ever comes out of it. With all due respect, I am actually surprised to hear a comment like that coming from you because I don't know how you could seriously say something like that if you have ever had a meaningful and productive dialogue with anyone who disagreed with you. If you and I started calling each other names, what sensible conversation could we possibly make out of it?

it's just fine for the marwadi's to be a part of the new Govt. of Nepal if maoists can??Was'nt that the main issue??? "

Sure it was. Before the thread morphed into this free-for-all format. Well, at least there is something we can remotely agree on - phew! The Marwaris asked for 2 seats - big deal! No one knows if they are going to get it - they could end up with nothing for all we know. That allocation by ethnic group has a very broad and undefined scope - maybe they will be considered part of the Madesi ethnic group for this purpose or maybe they wont. I don't understand what the hullabaloo is about. To me most of the debate on this thread is motivated by hatred and prejudice and is devoid of any clear thinking.

Bahunkto - Sorry to say but your tiresomely pedantic logic is irrelevant to the conversation at hand. Your world-view seems shrouded by archaic notions of caste and ethnic identity. So far, I can't see where it has added any value to either the issue of minority representation or that of public policy in the new Nepal.

captain maile kaslai reply gareko hernus na. hamro rahulvai le sodhnubhako thiyo. so tei bhara reply gareko uhalai.
natra malai ni thaha cha kun thread ma k kura garne bhanera.
captain- tara one thing..before saying anything prove me wrong please prove me wrong. ahile samma bhaneko kura haru aru thread pani cha sabai hernus ahile samma ko ani prove garnus.

tapai ko bani jasto cha aru ko khedo khanne. khedo khannus tara bastabikta ko kura ma. there is a sayin-buda paka le bhanthe. badh bibad uh sanga garnu jo kura dubai tira bata niyalcha ..uh sanga nagarnu jo aafno matra suncha ra aru ko thuncha.
namaskar hai hajur ma chai pahile sentence bala manche parey tapai chahi parnu bhayecha doshro .
tapai lai naramro bhaneko haina hai naramro nathannus malai.
BAHUN KO CHORO

Hey bahunkto -

My bad if my comments came across as a bit harsh. I felt it was irrelevant, if not outright provocative, to talk about ethnicity in the fashion that you have a when the subject is minority representation and future direction of the country in light of changing ethnic and caste equations. That's really what was behind my comment. I too have nothing personal against you and am willing to listen to anything sensible you have to say.

Regards.

this discussion reminded me of discussions Sajha used to have long time back (in good sense ma bhaneko ni feri)

captain jiu minority? so u count marwaris as nepali race?
i know tapai le naramro bhanna khojnu bhako chaina malai. tapai ko kura ma naramro ni lageko thiyena malai. minority bhannu ni paap ho haha sacchi ta tourist bhanda suhaucha.
biharis,marwaris lai kaha bata nepali bhanera gannu..bihari haru le terai khosna aateka chan pachi pahad ni hamro bhanlan.. marwaris le aadhi laglan.. na india hamro na nepal hamro huncha pachi.
nepali j bhaye ni second class citizens ho india ko bhane hami kina yini haru lai tauko ma rakhne. business garun jawun..baru hamra newar daju bhai haru le gareko business ma garba garchu afnai pahadey daju bhai ta parey.
red neck nepali(gorkhey)
bahun ko choro

"यहाँ निर बुझ्नु पर्ने कुरा के छ भने, मारवाडिलाई नेपाल् भित्र्याए कस्ले? काठ्माडौका नेवार ब्यापारीहरुलाई (जस्को तिब्बत देसको ब्यापारमा प्रभुत्व थियो) बिस्थापन् गर्न अथवा भनुम् सजाय दिन हिदुस्तान् बाट् मारवाडिलाई ज्ञानेकै पूर्खाले रातो कार्पेट् बिछ्याइ स्वागत् गरेको तीतो सत्य भूल्न मिल्छ र? यस्तो गुणको बद्ला तिर्न प्रायोजित् रुपमा यस्तो माग् राखेको त होइन, यता तिर् पनि सोच्ने कि? मारवाडि समाजकै प्रभावशालि ब्यक्ति मोहन् गोपाल् खेतानको माघ् १९ पछि ज्ञानेको समर्थनमा दिएका अन्तर्वार्ता सम्झम् त।

बाहुन केटोको कुरा मा दम छ है । त्यसैले यसै धागो मा धेरै पहिला पोस्ट गरेको पुन्: राख्दै छु, मेरो भन्नु को मतलब य तिर पनि सोच्ने कि, बिचार हो अचार नहुन पनि सक्छ । ब्राम्हण को परिभाषा म अर्कै धागो म दिउला, यहाँ धेरै लाइ अपच हुने छाँट देखें मैले ।

rahulvai tapaile alikati ta paunu bhayo ni answer.tapai afno thread kholnus ni haii tiha nai aginai ko kura lekhumla ani samjhera aru pani thapumla. dhanyabad. namaskar
bahun ko choro

If marwaris r nepalis, if biharis r nepalese.. who r we?
who r we pahadeys(gorkheys)
have to save identity bachaunai parcha..sano desh ma chariyeka jati haru le afno desh bachaunai parcha.bideshi haru le ayera yesari tharkauna paune? tei pani kati daju bhai ani kt haru chahi dinu parcha bhanne. america sanga ddajhne sano nepal lai.
Maha kabi laxmi prasad devkota le lekheko lekh "k nepal sano cha" Nepal sano cha dherai sano cha tara yesko mahotwa dherai thulo cha.